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I have been studying these definitives since approximately 1993. I find them to be very challenging to study, given the gaps in knowledge missing even from the most advanced Argentinean specialized catalogs-e.g. Klass 1970 and Kneitschel 1951.

I hope some of the members of this forum enjoy looking at these stamps, and even maybe collecting them/studying them:

http://www.somestamps.com/issues/issues-argentina-1935-51.htm


tony

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Here are the papers as I currently understand them. There are a few gaps in my current study of these...the numbering scheme is my own given that there is no published scheme that addresses the papers correctly/completely.

(01) 1E1: The first early paper with wavy lines from October 1935, which I find in use thrroughout 1936.






(02) 1E2: Mostly used in 1937/38.





(03) 1E3: Mostly used in 1939. At times easily confused with the 1E1 paper.





(04) 1E4: Mostly used in 1940.





(05) CL1A: The first clay papers from 1943. The watermark is similar to that of the 1E4 paper.





(06) CL1B: Watermark is perpendicular to the previous paper.





(07) NGR: unwatermarked grid





(0 NOP: opaque, thick, unwatermarked, and uncatalogued. Easiest to distinguish for the high values (5, 10, and 20 pesos).





(09) 2C: RA straight rays; neat

(10) 2D: RA straight rays; diffuse

(11) 2N: RA straight rays; narrow features

(12) CL2A: thin, plastic-like clay paper





(13) CL2B: thin, plastic-like clay paper, opaque and almost imposible to back scan!





The five late papers from the 1950s

(14) 1L1:





(15) 1L2:





(16) 1L3:





(17) 1L4:





(1 1L5:





(19) Official clay paper, similar to CL2A, thinner, and easy to back scan for the 50c, and slightly thick and with poor perforations for the 25c.

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Here is a link to a few covers with the previous definitive issue (San Martin), which was only possible between october 1, 1935 and the end of that year. The San Martin stamps were subsequently demonetized and the post office allowed their exchange for the new issue during the first 90 days of 1936.

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-004.htm

This cover seems to be from October 1, 1935, which would make it a first day of use for the 5c Moreno.









tony
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I completed a study of this stamp as a test of what I need to for all the others. This is one of the simpler stamps in that it had a limited run (all of 1936) and was printed on one paper (my 1E1, the cream medium thickness paper).

This stamp was issued January 1, 1936, and here is a cover from January 4.





This is the first paper (1E1):





There are two catalogued plate varieties in Klass/Kneitschel:

long vertical line across argentina section of map





retouched left numeral background





there is an additional plate variety I find, and it seems to be in one of the master dies because I find two variations:

the most common has a broken curl midway along the right side edge,





here is a detail





the second variation also has a line break that I find in two separate specimens (one on cover).





here is the detail





for those who can read Spanish, I also have scans of the three major catalogs for the regular issues and the officials in Kneitschel (the most authoritative source, it seems):

Ediphila 1980:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/ediphila.htm

Kneitschel 1951:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/kneitschel.htm

Klass 1970:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/klass.htm

Officials in Kneitschel:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/kneitschel-officials.htm

tony
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Here are two plate varieties that seem to come from the master dies. They are side by side on rows 2,4, and 6 of this block.


















Here is a link to a page of a cover with these:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-005.htm

tony
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This is one of the easiest stamps to type due to the light color.

30c1E1:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-023-1.htm





30c1E2:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-023-2.htm





30c1E3:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-023-3.htm





30c1E4:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-023-4.htm





tony
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Here is a picture book I composed for these issues (PDF, 14.1 MegaBytes):

http://www.somestamps.com/publications/arg3551-books/2007/arg3551-book01-v027-070714-ED01.pdf

It contains errors and omissions I plan to fix soon.

tony
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this is one of the harder stamps to type because of the dark color. The links show additional stamps.

40c1E1:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-022-1.htm






40c1E2:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-022-2.htm





40c1E3:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-022-3.htm





40c1E4 (not too sure about this one):

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-022-4.htm





tony
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This one is one of the easier ones to type because of the color:

50c1E1:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-021-1.htm





50c1E2:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-021-2.htm





50c1E3:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-021-3.htm





50c1E4:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-021-4.htm





tony
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This stamp is also easy to type.

1p1E1:









1p1E2:









1p1E3:


















a nice block of the 1p1E4:









tony
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Here is an assortment of early 2 pesos stamps. I am still in the process of typing these.





























tony
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I am also still in the process of typing these. They should serve as good training when compared to the ones I have already identified in previous posts.

























tony
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These were apparently not printed on all of the four 1E papers. I do not find, for instance, a 10p1E2....

























tony
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Some of these are the truly elusive first printing (20p1E1), and I do not find any with the 1E2 paper (taller, narrower RA).

























tony
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This is one of the easiest stamps to type due to the light color.

25c1E1:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-024-1.htm





25c1E2:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-024-2.htm





25c1E3:

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-024-3.htm





25c1E4 (y del cual no estoy muy seguro que los sean...):

http://somestamps.com/domain-argentina/arg193551/reference-collection/foro/001-050/argentina-1935-51-foro-024-4.htm





tony
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