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5p1L2 Lower Right corner block with plate varieties

The upper left stamp is a familiar plate variety: long scratch across palm. Thanks to this block I now know that it is at least found in position 89. It may or may not be unique to one position on the plate.





Upper Left details









Lower Left detail




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5c1E1t repeatable p.v.'s from DEPOF blocks Part 1

These three blocks have several repeatable plate varieties. These varieties appear in repeatable blocks (most likely of five horizontal and two vertical cliches). Here are the three blocks unmarked and marked.
























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5c1E1t repeatable p.v.'s from DEPOF blocks Part 1 details

Here are details for the three blocks shown in the previous post. The pair of repeatable varieties on the same row consist of these two plate varieties, both easy to spot:

Block 1,
row 1, column 1
row 3, column 1

Block 2,
row 2, column 1
row 4, column 1

Block 3
row 2, column 1









Block 1,
row 1, column 3
row 3, column 3

Block 2,
row 2, column 3
row 4, column 3

Block 3
row 2, column 3









There are two additional repeatable varieties. The first one has a break in the line above TINA of ARGENTINA between the I and the N.

Block 1
Row 1, Column 4
Row 3, Column 4

Block 2
Row 2, Column 4





The second one has a noticeable dot under the first A of MARIANO.

Block 1
Row 2, column 3
Row 4, column 3

Block 2,
row 1, column 3
row 3, column 3

Block 3,
row 1, column 3
row 3, column 3





The third block has a variety found in two other blocks to be posted next. This variety has an M of MORENO that looks like the greek letter for M. It is found on row 3, column 4.




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5c1E1t repeatable p.v.'s from DEPOF blocks Part 2

These two blocks have several repeatable plate varieties. Some of these varieties do not appear on the three blocks previously shown and are not found in repeatable rows or columns. Here are the two blocks unmarked and marked.
















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5c1E1t repeatable p.v.'s from DEPOF blocks Part 2 details

The fourth block has a non-repeatable variety row 2, column 2.





Two repeatable plate varieties appear side-by-side. The left variety has two small nicks in the lower left design column.

Fourth Block
Row 1, column 1
Row 3, column 1
Row 4, column 1

Fifth block
Row 2, column 1





and the right side variety has a deformed M of MORENO.

Fourth Block
Row 1, column 2
Row 3, column 2
Row 4, column 2

Fifth block
Row 2, column 1





The fifth block also has an additional repeatable variety row 1, column 4





and row 4, column 4.




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5c Postal Entires Plain Type

This ample shows usages to several businesses in Buenos Aires.












































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5c Postal Entires Post Horn Type

This ample shows usages to several businesses in Buenos Aires.
































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5c Postal Entires Post Horn in Shield Type

This ample shows usages to several businesses in Buenos Aires.
















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Comments on the new catalog by Gottig and Jalil (GJ 2009)

These are all intended as constructive comments. This catalog represents a quantum leap in Argentinean philately. The pictures alone are worth the price. The catalog is in large format and printed on high quality paper. I have the soft-bound version. It is just plain beautiful.

For the 1935-51 definitives, I have four categories of comments.

1. Sources of information on which the catalog is based.
2. Some papers are missing.
3. Some errors, partly based on missing papers.
4. Plate varieties, largely missing, and could easily fill a second volume.

1. The information found in Deluca, especially printing quantities for some DEPOFs and first day of use for the first printings, is missing. Also missing are the first month of use mentions for the Straight Rays papers from Klass 1970.
2. Although the Austrian (1E2) and Dutch (1E4) papers added expand on Kneitschel, some key differentiations are missing:
a. The Wavy Rays types-e.g. number 759; are really a combination of as many as the 1E1, 1E3(a,b,c), 1L1, 1L2, and 1L3.
b. The unwatermarked stamps have not been separated between grilled (NGR) and opaque (NOP).
c. The Straight Rays have not been separated between the clear (2C) and diffuse (2D).
d. There is no mention of the direction of the watermark, which we know is unique to a type. For example, the 2p2C is found with horizontal and vertical watermark, while the 5p2C is only found with horizontal watermark.
e. For the DEPOFs, there is no distinction between English (1E) and Austrian (1E2) papers, even though in some cases this distinction is useful. While all small format DEPOF, 50c, 1p top overprint, 1p with boundaries are 1E1, and all 25c are 1E2; all 30c and some 1p bottom overprint are found on both papers. Also missing is the very popular M..M error found in the first 1E1 printing of the small format values.

3. Some pictures do not refer to the correct stamp:
a. The 763A stamps are not the 1939, or 1E3a, pinting; instead these are 1L2 of 1951. The same is the case for the stamp 764A. The picture for stamp 759 is a 1L2 from 1952 and not the 1E1-much scarcer. The stamp 765 looks like a 1E4, and not the 1E1, which has unique colors.

This is the 20p of 1936.





b. The stamp 766, 25c clay, was only issued as 'Servicio Oficial.' The picture can only refer to a proof or stamps missing the overprint.

Here is my favorite comprison:

5pNOP





5pNGR





4. About plate varieties, well, we could fill a second volume.

About a second volume, there is plenty of additional material to fill it: postmarks, slogans, PERFINs, postal entires...

This is a great catalog, I hope you buy it and enjoy it.
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Yet another postal history categorization

I have loaded images to the forums and have obtained some inputs, but have not collaborated with members to take the next step: an in-depth study of the monumental postal history of this issue. Here is my latest categorization:

1. Earliest uses. As I have made progress studying the chronological use of each paper, it has become possible for me to tell most of the time the correct printing for a stamp on cover.
2. Rates to destinations within Argentina.
3. Rates to destinations outside Argentina.
4. Modes of postal use (ground, sea, air).
5. Rates by specific air service.
6. Chronological use in reference to WW II (before, during, after), and specifically censured usages.
7. Officials.
8. Postal entires and postcards.
9. Slogans.
10. PERFINs.
11. Other: postal forgeries, insufficient postage, 10c bisected (shown in the GJ 2009 catalog).
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Rates within Argentina from Ravignani

Based on the book by Miguel Emilio Ravignani about Argentinean postal rates from 1877 to 1974, which luckily includes the complete period of postal use for the Argentina 1935-51 issue these are the rates within Agentina for the three most commonly used rates.

The three main postal rates for mail within Argentina are the simple letter rate (20 grams or approximately 1/2 ounce), the certified mail rate, and the express mail rate.

The simple letter rate for each 20 grams is 10 centavos before 1937, and 5 centavos from 1937 to 1948. The certified and express rates before 1944 are not clear from this book. Here are the rates from 1944 onwards in the format (simple letter rate, certified mail rate, express mail rate):

1944 ( 5 centavos, 25 centavos, 25 centavos )
1949 ( 10 centavos, 30 centavos, 40 centavos )
1951 ( 20 centavos, 60 centavos, 1 peso )
1952 ( 20 centavos, 1.30 pesos, 1.50 pesos )
1956 ( 40 centavos, 2 pesos, 2 pesos )
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A postal entire with Census information

This postal entire found limited use. It has information about Argentina from 1934.





The stamp is Type II.





Here are details of the back of this entire, a fold-out.
























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Late usage of the 2 pesos and 5 pesos

These are the two latest uses I have.

2 pesos canceled December (16?) of 1956.













and 5 pesos canceled February 28 of 1957.








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Here is a small selection of used postcards.




































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